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Health Care Bill To Fund 12,000 New IRS Employees For Enforcement Of New Taxes And The Individual Mandate.

philasurfer 1 point2 points 7 hours ago[-]

I am confused. Do you really believe that the Canadian or the British healthcare system is used to control the populace?

That is such an odd conclusion you draw.

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Lindsey Graham (R), who voted for Bush's unfunded deficit exploding half trillion dollar prescription drug Medicare bill, uses heated language to criticize the Democrats for not paying for this healthcare bill. Hmmmm? (politico.com)

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Matthews To Health Care Reform Opponent: What You're Talking About Doesn't Exist

philasurfer 0 points1 point 7 hours ago[-]

You have to wait till the end because it really builds, but that was amazing.

What is the tea partiers plan for healthcare? What during George Bush's eight years did he do regarding healthcare except a huge prescription drug entitlement that if Democrats had introduced Republicans would have called socialist?

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Public Employees Respond to Republican Governor of NJ Chris Christie's attacks on public employees: "And I should remind you that just last year Wall Street executives received record bonuses" (politickernj.com)

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CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 0 points1 point 14 hours ago[-]

Administration submitted 6-years of costs and 10-years of tax/revenue to pay for it.

What are you talking about? Where are you getting this information?

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 0 points1 point 15 hours ago[-]

It is a pretty simple concept. Brownback is highly partisan and a non-expert. The CBO is non-partisan and expert. This is why people generally look to the CBO for cost estimates.

It doesnt mean they will be correct it just means they made a good faith effort, with far more resources and skill than Senator Brownback, to make an estimate.

Perhaps the CBO has over-estimated in the past, so what? Do you have a better current estimate?

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 0 points1 point 15 hours ago[-]

What was the point you presented? A partisan report from Senator Brownback about the reliability of the CBO. I can refute that by saying the CBO is the best estimate we have. If you want to produce a more thorough, non-partisan analysis please do!

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 0 points1 point 16 hours ago[-]

Mouth breathers? What are they?

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 4 points5 points 17 hours ago[-]

It is not budget neutral, it actually reduces the deficit by 130 Billion the first ten years and 1.2 trillion the next ten year.

Dear Republicans: People who live in cities are Americans, too.

philasurfer 0 points1 point 17 hours ago[-]

What does it say though that, in order to run for President he couldn't be a Republican?

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 38 points39 points 18 hours ago[-]

I suspect the health insurance industry would prefer the status quo in which they can take in premiums, deny coverage and drop sick people.

This bill prevents all of that.

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 0 points1 point 18 hours ago[-]

so you are a fan of the current healthcare system? This bill will be a dramatic improvement.

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 5 points6 points 18 hours ago* [-]

Listen, surfnsound, people keep repeating the same confusion over the taxes under the plan. I just felt it needed clarification. If you don't like it there is a little arrow to the left of my posts through which you can express your opinion of the usefullness of my posts. Otherwise, don't worry about how I make my argument.

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer -2 points-1 points 18 hours ago[-]

The bill raises revenue in the following ways:

•A tax increase on the richest 2.6%

•A tax on expensive health care plans (kicks in 2018)

•A fine on individuals who can buy insurance for less than 8% of their income but choose not to. (kicks in 2016)

•A fine on employers that do not offer insurance and that have employees who benefit from government health care plans.

None of which really bother me.

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 15 points16 points 18 hours ago[-]

The revenue raisers are: •A tax increase on the richest 2.6%

•A tax on expensive health care plans (kicks in 2018)

•A fine on individuals who can buy insurance for less than 8% of their income but choose not to. (kicks in 2016)

•A fine on employers that do not offer insurance and that have employees who benefit from government health care plans.

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 23 points24 points 18 hours ago[-]

It doesn't "save" money. It reduces the deficit. Two different things.

You can't cover 30 million uninsured and "save" money. It raises more money than it pays out by:

•A tax increase on the richest 2.6%

•A tax on expensive health care plans (kicks in 2018)

•A fine on individuals who can buy insurance for less than 8% of their income but choose not to. (kicks in 2016)

•A fine on employers that do not offer insurance and that have employees who benefit from government health care plans.

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 1 point2 points 18 hours ago[-]

all immigrants are illegal as far as I am concerned. The constitution says so.

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 1 point2 points 18 hours ago[-]

Please explain what tax you are talking about and whether it is in the current bill.

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 0 points1 point 18 hours ago[-]

are you talking about the excise tax penalty if you fail to carry health insurance?

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer -2 points-1 points 18 hours ago[-]

The fact is that the healthcare bill would raise insurance premiums for some, lower others and leave some essentially untouched.

Under the status quo all plans are increasing dramatically and 45 million don't have any healthcare whatsoever.

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 1 point2 points 19 hours ago[-]

So will the everyday man have those cadillac plans?

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer -1 points0 points 19 hours ago[-]

Now the link you edited into your post, why does that only have Senator Browback's (R) name on it?

Is that a product of the committee or Senator Brownbacks?

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 11 points12 points 19 hours ago[-]

I know you are, but what am I? STOP EDITING POSTS AFTER YOU POST THEM!

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 4 points5 points 19 hours ago[-]

and cuts medicare costs. I think these costs saving account for about 500 Billion of the costs.

CBO score on health care bill now out. Will save $130 billion in the federal deficit in the first 10 years (while the system is put in place), saves $1.2 *trillion* the next ten years after installed.

philasurfer 12 points13 points 19 hours ago* [-]

So your response is to generate rumors and innuendo. The CBO estimate is the best fact-based analysis we are going to get. Deal with it.

EDIT: I would like to say for the record that you edited that entire post after I commented. It is a blatant violation of redditiquette.

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